Shogi prospect

[adrianwoo]

I speak with around 8 people from diffrent countires about this Idea and they support this.

On saturday (then most people do not study and do not working) 20.12.2008 at 19.00 (paris berlin time as in STL) we will do the Christmar's Tournament it will be probably the biggest tournament on kurnik 6 round (it can play 64 people ). Time format will be 7+30 (it should last 3-3,5 hours)

Each player who will be play should tell what country he represent.
In kurnik's tournament registration always start 5 minute before tournament.

In tournament can play people from all countries. During tournament we can encourage people to speak on forum about new season of STL (http://shogipro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=135)

I will ask you about tell your friends about this tournament.
In each country should be somebody responsible for tell their friends about turnament. The best way is to give this responsibility for capitan of STL.

Details:
Date 20.12.08
Time 19.00 (Paris Berlin Time)
Place http://www.playok.com/intl/en/tournaments/?on=sg
Time format 7+30
Rounds 6
Registration 5 minute before start,

[kasperovich]

It's nice idea! I think this tournament would be the biggest shogi event on Kurnik (PlayOk). I hope that we will see a lot of shogi players from many countries (not only from STL countries).

[ferleo]

Hey, i like to play that tournament. but i dont have rating at kurnik.

[adrianwoo]

It dose not matter you just have to register on kurnik and come to specila kurnik's room before 19.00

[adrianwoo]

In this room 20.12.08 at 19.00 (Paris Berlin time)will be the bigest torunament on kurnik:
http://www.kurnik.pl/turn.phtml?tid=2759251

Please
- come 5 minute before start torunament
- tell you friends about tournament
- paste this link on your shogiwebsite

[adrianwoo]

So it is happend end of the biggest tournament on kurnik. The winner Victor (rex15) from Russia win all 6 rounds. Congratulation. There was some problem with kurnik's server but I hope all people was happy :).
1 rex15 (ru) 2098 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 6.0 
2 seikkon (fr) 1791 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 5.0 
3 linkuei (hu) 1968 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.5 4.5 
wwwshogipl 1760 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.5 4.5 
5 takodori (ja) 1971 1.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 4.0 
mugen9x9 (ja) 2033 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 4.0 
sigpdm (uk) 1564 1.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 4.0 
policia190 (pt) 1794 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 4.0 
trinca (pt) 1908 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 4.0 
oneye 1659 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 4.0 
uhrieligisei (fi) 1604 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 4.0 
12 bklin 1661 0.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.5 3.5 
ryouma (en) 1597 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.5 3.5 
14 calvinb (sv) 1897 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 3.0 
gluzd (ru) 1648 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 3.0 
paliy (uk) 1693 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 3.0 
yuryshpilev (ru) 1663 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 3.0 
antyshock (uk) 1620 1.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 3.0 
ferleo (es) 1492 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 3.0 
skurfiel 1451 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 3.0 
noimnot (hu) 1433 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1 3.0 
cochise 1441 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 3.0 
eney (uk) 1413 0.0 0.0 0.0 bye 1.0 1.0 3.0 
24 pietrrro 1240 0.0 bye 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 
omelchuk (uk) 1551 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 
goteexpert (nl) 1504 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 
aftrombettoni (it) 1184 bye 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1 2.0 
ralke (en) 1237 0.0 0.0 bye 0.0 1.0 0.0 2.0 
kurohige 1544 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 2.0 
30 01029 (en) 1621 1.0 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0 1.0 
trollet (sv) 1376 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 
nightvisions (pt) 1419 0.0 0.0 0.0 - bye 0 1.0 
gbuglyo (hu) 1745 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 bye 1

In quantification of each country the results looks like this.
Points Participation Averange
Poland 22 7 3,14
Ukraine 15 5 3
Russia 9 2 4,5
Hugary 8,5 3 2,83
Japan 8 2 4
Italy 5,5 2 2,75
France 5 1 5
Brazil 5 2 2,5
Finaland 4 1 4
Sweden 4 2 2
Spain 3 1 3
Belarus 3 1 3
Serbia and Montegora 2 1 2
Holland 2 1 2
Usa 1 1 1

please comment this touranments :)

[YuryShpilev]

I have question for Linkuei and wwwshogipl.
At first see game: http://www.playok.com/ru/game.phtml?gid=sg&pid=215557&app=1
It finished with draw. May be here will jishogi (impass). But as I know only Professionals finish jishogi as draw if any players have above 24 points, and amateur have draw only when both players have 27 points.
In final position I see on 27 points in Linkuiei and wwwshogipl. But it not jishogi while and next move Linkuei take Knight 9f and he will have 28 points and wwwshogipl - only 26. Here is win for Linkuei.
It's not fair play. You both must play to finish and each must want win. And not go to draw.
Shogi is not western chess. Here draw not exist almost.
We can't exclude both player from shogi area but each must play correctly.

[adrianwoo]

In this tournament was 2 draws it is allways controversy situatilon. In our game we get bouth execly 27 points... but as I know draws can be if 2 players get 24 - 29 points.

Maybe linkuei should be firstly in my camp and then we can speak about draw... but we are just amatore not professional so I do not know what the Judge can tell about it.

[Linkuei]

My answer: i felt frustrated, i think i had the advantage for a long time and i couldn't prevent his king from entering. both of us was in byoyomi i didn't really hava a chance to start counting the pieces...
My king didn't reach the promotion zone, he didn't have enough material so i could enter but i would have lost a few of my pieces too... counting the pieces in that state of the game is meaningless, i think it's better to come up with a solution like that than making hasty moves in byoyomi where the outcome will be decided by the number of errors...
It would have been nice to replay the game with reverse colours, but we can't even remove the players who left after a few rounds or can't watch the games normally live:( /i saw oneye's game with 3 rooks:)/

The tournament was great, i really liked it thanks for Adrian for setting it up, and congrat to rex.

My vote was right 33 player came:)

I hope we will have similar eevents in the near future, like 2 in a year or there was a plan about a shogi individual league too.

[Carl Johan Nilsson]

I liked this tournament very much, though I wasn't very pleased with my result.

Perhaps should we consider other time limits in the future tournaments.
My experience is that much more games are lost on time on PlayOK compared to over the board tournemants which is unfortunate. One reason for this is that the byo-time sounds on PlayOK is different. Another reason is that you sometimes get small delays. Perhaps increasing the thinking time to 15min + 40 sek would solve this problem? One option to keep tournament time unchanged is to reduce the number of rounds to 5.

One other thing. It seemed like several players registrated with the purpose of playing one or two rounds only, then leaving. This should definately be avoided. It sort of ruines the tournament since players leaving the tournament keep getting paired in all rounds. This results in many walk overs. So to show some respect to those who want to play the hole tournament, please do not enter if you intend to leave before playing all rounds.

Several players left to join parties. Perhaps should we start the tournaments a bit earlier to avoid this collision. Like 17.00?